Micky Watkins on World Mobile’s decentralized telecom network

0:00I'm Ashen Addison from the Cryptocoin Show and today on blockchain interviews with Mickey Watkins, founder and CEO of World Mobile here to talk about the first decentralized communityowned mobile networks, why DPIN is definitely not dead and how decentralized infrastructure is reshaping global connectivity and much more. Nikki, welcome to the show and thanks for

0:22taking the time. >> Hey Ashton, thank you very much for having me. >> Me too. I'm excited to bring uh mobile networks into uh the present day. I feel like they're quite antiquated. I know you have a lot of expertise on this and they're definitely expensive for the value you get and they lock you in and you're you're you're tied into something that uh you're you're probably

0:44overpaying on and probably not getting the value you need. I know blockchain and decentralized physical infrastructure networks can help with that. It's just implementing it properly. you and the team at World Mobile have been doing it successfully and it's it's growing a lot and I'd love to hear uh about all of that and maybe we could start with high level on for

1:03those who haven't heard of world mobile so what is the vision and what has the team been working on over the past few years >> the vision is that everybody in the world should have the right to internet uh half the world at the moment is unconnected from the internet uh that's due to legacy business models and legacy infrastructure and the half the world

1:21that is connected many Many are underserved, meaning they live within Swiss cheese. So they go from the bedroom to the front of the house and they lose connectivity. And for all of us that are connected right now, we're not in control of any of our data that we're sending across the airwaves. You know, we have this device in our pocket all day long or on our table next to us

1:40all day long. And we're using it all day long and we just don't know where any of that data is stored, where it's held. you know, you recently heard uh with WhatsApp um that there was uh a legal complaint and actually action against them because the encryption actually wasn't encrypted. So they say, right? But you don't know. This is the whole point. You don't know what's happening

2:02with your data. This what you you are creating a digital imprint of yourself and where's that going? So I think this is like one of the overall missions is to >> bring back privacy, reclaim our power. I completely agree and for something as important as the connectivity to the internet, you know, it's like practically a human right that that everybody should able to be have have

2:24access from a device that you're using most of the waking hours of the day. There's a lot of issues to solve. So, how do you put that into, you know, practically in the company? How do you rebuild a network so that it follows all of those principles? Yeah, I think there's there's multiple different steps to to doing this. One of them, of course, is infrastructure uh terrestrial

2:48infrastructure. That means infrastructure that sits on people's rooftops. We have over a 100,000 air nodes that are deployed now uh by the Sharon economy. That means radios that they've put up on their on their rooftop or in their house that's projecting uh signal and allowing other people to connect to it as well as them subscribing to it. Uh so we've managed

3:06to get 3 million daily active users on this 100,000 um air nodes that are deployed. Uh but we need much more than 100,000. We need millions and millions deployed across the worlds in order for them to meet. But it's very possible because telecoms is a multi- trillion dollar market. Uh and one of the most markets that grows with demand massively year on year. So if you take that money

3:28and you don't send it back to Wall Street, you don't send it back to investors, but instead you bring it back into local communities, all of a sudden uh you can see people very incentivized to put up infrastructure. Uh at the moment, our anode operators are reporting somewhere between 35% to 45% APY on their infrastructure, which is absolutely huge uh in any in any world.

3:48Um and it's wonderful that we've been able to do it in a distributed uh decentralized manner. >> Wow, that's really interesting. I'd love to dive into that that those air nodes more. Maybe you can paint the picture of the comparison. I think a lot of people understand somewhere there's a satellite tower that's sending uh mobile connectivity to your phone and maybe

4:10it's sort of far away and as you alluded to in the beginning, you're you're in the bedroom, it's okay, and then you go in the bathroom and the signal is not good. How does that compare to having these nodes on people's houses? And does it need to be can it be far away like the cell tower or does it need to be you know in your neighbor? >> Okay, so we're a full mobile network

4:32operator. So what does that mean? It means that we have our own spectrum, our own mobile core. So the the things that the makes the mobile network work. We own one of those. Um uh our own towers which are the community uh which are distributed. So we are actually a full mobile network operator. If you don't see our network, we will partner with another network to let you join that

4:52network cuz it's kind of useless having a network that only works at home and then as soon as you leave doesn't work. You need coverage everywhere. But the idea is that the incentives are so great, >> the mission behind what we're doing to reclaim our power. Every citizen in the world should be behind this mission. Um, but it's also very beneficial that it

5:09pays well to to do so. So, we have something called network builders. You can see that on the worldmo.io IO website. Uh, and that is how we're building out our networks. We have built out, as I said, 100,000 plus uh across Africa and Asia. Uh there's probably somewhere in the region of 5,000 or 6,000 already in the United States of America. We're beginning to deploy in uh

5:30Asia uh Philippines and preparing for Korea as well and the UK. And the model is really that mobile network operators, the legacy guys, the old guys, they can't operate fast. Mhm. >> Individuals can operate like ants and we can work together to build where the network currently is so weak where we call Swiss cheese or where there is none or even overbuild the existing mobile

5:55network operators networks and help them help them with demand and have customers joining your piece of equipment on your roof, your radio, your air node and be paying you to host it. So, it's kind of self-fulfilling as long as we continue to get the word out there. uh week on week we have more and more interest uh our anode cells we have once every two

6:14weeks at the moment uh sold out very quickly uh we believe that probably we can get millions of these nodes out into the wild and then all the nodes will meet and become one network that will be the biggest mobile network in the world it's not just ground nodes you know I said terrestrial uh we also have stratospheric nodes >> so stratospheric nodes are able to fly

6:3520,000 mters they're powered by hydrogen uh they're able to produce 100 kW of power. They have an antenna on them that are 3 m by 3 m and they connect around 500,000 people at once to data direct to cell. So they can see up and they can see down. So they can work with satellites and support the satellites and make them more efficient. Uh or they can work independently and just

6:57broadcast a signal down onto the ground. But if you look at the network from this perspective, you've got a ground network and a sky network. you're actually able to cover huge amounts of distances and then also populate areas that have real demand like universities or uh schools or hospitals or um office blocks. All of a sudden with concentrated ground

7:20network uh and then the sky network for covering the rural areas you kind of onto a big winning factor here and we plan for all of this to be within our sharing economy. Right now we only have the terrestrial nodes within the sharing economy but over 2026 we have some big tests with British Telecom and other mobile operators and 2027 we expect the first roll out of our stratospheric uh

7:42airborne antennas. >> Wow, that's really cool. And I was going to ask about space uh connectivity because it seems like that's what's hot right now. And looking at SpaceX or AST Mobile with their their satellites, that's a lot higher than you know these this hydrogen level, but >> 6 600 600 km lower satellites approximately. We're sitting at 20 km. >> Interesting. So, does that does that is

8:11it do you actually compete with them or do you actually tie into their network and and work alongside them? >> Well, we've we've partnered with Starink a few times uh with North Carolina. We helped them with with the connecting the disconnected. Uh we managed to make sure they didn't need to deploy that many Starlinks. >> Uh and there's there's many problems.

8:27Starlink is not really for urban areas. It's for more rural areas. It's a fantastic applications, but it is part of the puzzle. Uh AS Space Mobile, they haven't really proven anything yet, but uh it's kind of the same thing as long with Amazon as well and their Kiper and there's quite a few low Earth orbit satellite people. But you've got some major problems. You've got the Doppler

8:45effect, which is a huge problem. um and physics in general when you're that far away. So you can't really connect a lot of people and partially that is because um solar you the the power that you need to radiate the beam down to the ground to connect direct to a handset is quite immense at 600 km. >> Mhm. >> So solar panels only generate 400 watts, 500 watts, 1,000 watt for a huge amount

9:12of solar panels more than you know the room that you're sitting in five types. >> Mhm. So you kind of got to start thinking about launching these footballsiz pit football pitch size antennas and solar panels to go with there to actually make a meaningful connection down on the ground. Uh whereas we can generate 100 kow of power at 20 km up. Uh you know there's many

9:33spectrums that go this far naturally. So you go directly to the handset. You don't need a a hardware device on the ground. Um but are we competition? I guess in some ways yes. Are we complimenting them in many ways also? Yes. You know, can they use us to be more efficient? Can we use them to to to deploy? Like for example, uh over Iran right now, >> uh if this was 2027 and World Mobile was

9:59finished and had um its stratospheric air nodes out, we could have used Starlink as a backhole uh to our air node and our air node direct to sell and given the people of Iran connectivity. uh something that would have been uh impossible today to do. So right now people have a have to have a Starlink unit on the ground and that makes them very dangerous as well because it could

10:19be detected and then the regime is coming into people's houses and punishing them for for having internet during this uh this moment of a revolution that is beginning to happen. Uh but with stratospheric uh the world mobile stratospheric and starink for example that wouldn't have been a problem. So I think a lot of collaboration to be done. uh I don't

10:39really think competitive because Stalink have always said that they're not going after the urban areas. Uh and I think are very complimentary. Our relationship is great with them already, but I think we can also make good relationships with other low earth orbit providers. >> Mhm. No, it's very cool, Mickey. And you mentioned uh the nodes in the United

10:58States and then also working in in Southeast Asia and Africa has been huge for getting them connected because they don't have all that traditional infrastructure that's already been built in the United States and maybe maybe not as much of a olig oligopoly uh as as the US. Where are you guys seeing the most traction? >> Telecom is is a is a big cartel.

11:22>> Um they they rule the world. You know, think about it. 850 mobile network operators connect half the world. It's not many, >> right? And then they have their subsets of MVNOs, >> but um where have we seen traction? It's every place is different. And that's the beautiful thing about our network. It's a dynamic network in the sense that in Africa, in a village, you don't need a

11:42high-powered cell station there because right now the people, they don't even have power in their houses. Mhm. >> So they're coming to you to your pole to your piece of infrastructure which has got solar power, second life batteries, charging port and Wi-Fi units that cover 360 around it. And they're coming and they're connecting in that way in most

12:00cases. Um and then as internet becomes more prevalent and as the population becomes uh more um uh condense into into an area where it's actually viable, then it's worth putting up cellular cell towers uh rather than just Wi-Fi. But um for example in Kenya we've played with band 71 which is a spectrum that we use in the United States of America. You know in Kenya they're giving it away for

12:25free for non-commercial use. So we were connecting a lot of schools and experimenting with that particular spectrum. In Mosamb beek we've got the TV whites space which is band 71 uh database which we've put on on chain. Uh so in Africa it is becoming a cellular play. Um, but you don't need to deploy a cellular network when people don't leave their particular area uh and they're

12:47used to coming to the signal. In the modern world, we want the signal to come to us, >> right? We're upset if the signal doesn't come to us. You know, if we're disconnected for even even 20 seconds or 30 seconds, there's a panic. Why do I see SOS? What's going on? Why can't I connect? Right? A message coming through and you know, I'm going through a tunnel

13:03and you're on a phone call or or whatever. So, we we're fully expectant and we don't get what we expect. Um, but World Mobile doesn't build a Wi-Fi network in the United States of America, for example. It builds a full cellular network utilizing several different bands. Wi-Fi is great, but when you're sitting down and you're in a coffee shop, um, or where you need to provide

13:24really cheap coverage and people come to the connection, but if you try driving past a car with in a car with Wi-Fi um, to attach, you know, it just won't attach because it has different properties. So depending on where you are is depending on what kind of infrastructure you deploy and the network builder platform actually helps you to decide what kind of

13:43infrastructure you should need if you want to become a network builder in the world mobile network. Definitely. I feel like uh obviously connectivity is super important when you're moving around as you're talking about, but more so growing over the past few years, people have been looking at uh the the the economics of it as well because, you know, they the the oligopy the oligopoly

14:07keeps raising the prices. It's like $100, $150 for your phone line and they're looking for cheaper alternatives as well. Um, and we can dive into, you know, the D deep pin aspect and how how you're actually making money if you have a node. But if you're just trying to connect to it, how does it compare to locking into a contract with some of these major American providers?

14:30>> It's very simple. Uh, we have an EIM first network. So, if you're going to join our network, you will take an ESIM with us. Uh, you'll register, you'll pay. Uh, EIM will be sent to you. You'll port your mobile number across and you're in. Uh, we don't do contracts. So, uh, you're not trapped in to anything. We give you many perks depending on if you take us up on the

14:48programs that we that we have within the system called Premier Rewards, but ultimately you're completely private as well. So, it's VPN from core to core. So, from when you start and initiate your your session uh to make a phone call, to browse the internet, the whole session is VPNs provably so on chain. That means that we can't as a mobile network operator see your data. I think

15:12that's a really important aspect because it's very tempting to take your users's data because it's worth so much money, especially when you have users in the millions and this is part of the revenue streams, but we feel that that's wrong. Um, and that privacy is also a human right as well as the internet. So, we've brought out a mobile network operator

15:27that works just as well as any other mobile network operator. You have signal across the United States of America. Uh, the the the population, the coverage is about 98% with our network and with partner networks. And the different the experience is just better. >> Definitely. And on the on the regulatory side, you know, it's great for consumers to have uh private calls and data, but

15:53you know, the there's always that question. It's like, well, if we can't see it, then plausible deniability that we don't know what people are making calls about. Is there that discussion that it's like, well, people are using it for nefarious purposes primarily because it's privac private by default. No, we follow regulation with the FCC uh in the United States of America. So, we

16:14we are a mobile network operator. It means we're licensed. It means that we're fully regulated and we have to abide by the rules of the FCC. >> But um the rules of the FCC, they don't um right now other mobile network operators, they don't choose to make your data private. >> Legal intercept, lawful intercept is something very different than I'm talking about. Uh I believe that if

16:37somebody is a criminal or somebody has done something bad uh legal intercept is a must because ultimately the government the people looking after you uh and we you know we voted them in. So what I do believe though is that the mobile network operator whilst that channel is open shouldn't also look at that channel >> and the mobile network operator should

16:55be able should prove that they are not able to access your data and that's what we do. So fully compliant, fully regulated and it's a choice uh that we we show and give to our users to show them that actually this is how the world should work. >> Definitely. And as a as a blockchain native for for 10 plus years, you know, I think that's the de facto is people

17:18people know that their private information even if you know they're doing nothing wrong, but it's probably getting sold to third parties and and that the telecom is making a lot of money because data is valuable. And to be able to choose a company that's not selling your data, it's becoming ever more popular with the mainstream as well. >> I think the people think, oh, well, they

17:38they're snooping on my like um I want to go on a skiing holiday or they're snooping on my, you know, on my messages that I do. But that don't that's not the case usually, right, for mobile network operators. They don't have that level of access. They have an even higher level of access. They know um who your friends are. They know because they know which

17:56cell towers have passed and whose numbers correlate to whose numbers and they have all this kind of information and they know when you sleep and when you wake up. They know when you go to the bathroom. They know many more things about us that we know about ourselves and our habits. And that that information is really valuable >> to other other people. So it's they

18:15should they should they know that? No. Because they're you're paying them you know we pay our mobile network operators a fee every month and it grows right. So every time they need to roll out new infrastructure, that cost comes onto on us. >> So we are actually the product, >> not the telephone, not the connectivity, but we are the product. But yet we don't

18:33get to see any of our own data. Call up your mobile network operator today and ask them for the last 2 years or 3 years or 5 years or 10 years of of information that they kept on you. And they'll tell you, oh, we haven't got any information on you that we can give you, only the last three or six months worth of billing data. and you'll see how many gigabytes you used, how many SS messages

18:50you sent, how many phone calls you made, you know, what was your roaming charges, um, information about your bank and that's it. >> Mhm. >> But what I I pick you up 204 times a day and I create all these different, you know, sessions that happen and I can't see any of that data. Okay, so don't give me that data. Fine. But prove to me that you're not taking that data.

19:11>> Mhm. >> And they can't. >> And and it's not just me. just go look on, you know, new the news and look up articles or the fines that mobile operators and ISPs face because they abuse their customers. So, World Mobile's kind of this this mission where it says, okay, first of all, everybody has the right to be connected. Uh, and the way that we're going to do that is

19:29via a sharing economy where we empower the people by incentivizing them with economy uh which is a massively in demand that is telecommunications. I think today is a $2.7 trillion market >> and they can for the first time be a part of that. That builds the infrastructure and then as the infrastructure is built we then turn operators into advocates and ambassadors

19:50and affiliates and essentially give them an area of land where we say hey you can become your own mini AT&T your own T-Mobile and in fact doesn't have to be a mini AT&T. If you take 5% 10% market share of this particular hex, you're going to be earning this much probably based on the average revenue per user in the United States of America and the world plans. And then they're thinking,

20:09hold on, this is an opportunity I've never had before. What do you mean I can monetize my rooftop? What do you mean? I can go and tell my friends and neighbors and to jump onto a local network where the money comes back into the local neighborhood where people who are hosting the the infrastructure on their rooftops, the you know the wash and go, the 7-Eleven, uh the the local pub, all

20:28of a sudden they're earning where they wouldn't have been earning before. That money was wasn't coming into the community. It was going out of the community. You know, uh we take Reno for example. Uh we we've probably paid out millions of dollars to operators in Reno. uh both hosts, people that host the infrastructure and operators that run the infrastructure. Um how much do

20:48you think AT&T has put back in or T-Mobile or Verizon have put back into Reno in the last year? >> I I can tell you for sure well mobile has put more and that's by providing connectivity. So that's the first layer you know you you bring the infrastructure by incentivizing people not with a token but with dollars and then when you when the people have the

21:10infrastructure you say okay bring the customers Mhm. >> Now we'll pay you for bringing every customer and you'll get a recurring revenue for the usage on your node for that customers you bring. So now you've gone from the bottom up grassroots. >> So that's that kind of one big layer of World Mobile's sharing economy. But then we've got multiple other layers which is

21:26the space that I talked about the the stratosphere. >> Uh and then we've got some of the celebrity brands that we're launching uh for on the world mobile network as MVNOs's. What is an MVNO? An MVNO is an easy way to start a mobile network. Well, we're a mobile network operator and we can create MVNOS's. So, we're creating some MVNOs's that would also be

21:45the the top down approach to bringing customers and then all the infrastructure serve those customers and you know you replicate this in area. This started off in one village uh five years ago, six years ago and then it came to one town and then from one town it came to like one state uh in you know in Asia and all of a sudden you know had a million users connected and then it

22:06spreads and it's not just spreading positivity because we're reclaiming our power and reclaiming our right to earn and reclaiming our privacy. It spreads positivity because it earns people money as well. >> Definitely. And I want to dive into that blockchain infrastructure part a little bit more. I saw that uh world mobile is utilizing base chain uh and you keep

22:27talking about re revenue generating opportunities. I think everybody is looking for more of those um and you know and starting a node and contributing. So can you a bit about how the the base chain and the cryptocurrency part actually works in the ecosystem? >> Yeah, well world mobile is a layer three on base. M so uh base is uh by Coinbase of course uh and Coinbase is very strong

22:51in the United States of America. Our 2026 and 2027 missions will be focused primarily in the United States of America. So firstly it was a good partner to have moving forward. Um we helped them as well stand with crypto uh and a few other events went to Congress a few times with the with the Coinbase team and the stand with crypto team. Built great relationship with them. Uh

23:12and also it's when we're building a telecom settlement layer and we've we've settled billions of IPDRs already to date which you can go and see on the world mobile chain explorer. Uh you need to make sure that you've got one a good team uh that are running a chain. Well, Coinbase are a very good team and then probably you know derisked in terms of financial stability. So it's going to be

23:35up for a long time. inherits all of the security of Ethereum. Uh but then makes it much cheaper for us to settle our transactions. Every day we're settling you tens of millions of transactions. So uh that's why we we've built on base because it made a lot of sense for us to to do so. But our real innovation isn't in the world mobile chain. Our real innovation is in the ecosystem that sits

23:57before that. The world mobile chain is the um immutable layer where we can prove that something that happened on the network actually happens. Um but the Earth node network is really where uh it's very special for us. So the Earth node network is 1,000 nodes that govern the world mobile network and they kind of sit in the middle of everything. Uh when an air node is connected, a radio

24:19is connected uh and a customer connects to that. That information is then passed down to the earth node. The earth node then stores that information writes to hash and then sends that hash to the world mobile chain. And then when that information needs to be queried for reconciliation of billing or a dispute or whatever else, all of a sudden a request is sent to the Earth node to

24:39say, "Okay, this happened at this time. You made a recording of it. Prove that that recording was true and then serve it to us and we'll pay you for doing so." So, it's the the network, but it also runs the VPN service. It also runs streaming services. It also runs decentralized storage services. So, it's kind of everything that you need a mobile operator that's being built and

25:00actually that's in its alpha at the moment. Uh, the first closed user group are going to get hold of it this week, we hope, or maybe early next week. Uh, and they'll start to run the Earth Node network. Uh, so you've got the air nodes and the earth nodes and they kind of air nodes are the funnel. I always say as a kid I remember going to into McDonald's

25:18and used to put a dime into the um spinning machine that fell down to the ground. Do you remember this this spiral? >> You know the air node is that the air node is that the beginning where the dime comes in because the user is paying in fiat currency. >> So the money starts to be generated and then the earth node coordinates everything from the drones in the sky to

25:38balloons that we we also have flying down to the ground network to say okay yes you can be online. Yes this person has credit this and creating that consistent log that information flow coming through. And then the world mobile chain is the stamp that says okay this truly did happen because the earth node reported it happens and or separate earth nodes reported that this happens

25:57this was time stamps of this date you know yes this is correct billing or yes this is this person was correct that they couldn't join the network because they they haven't paid their bill or yes it was correct that this person's call dropped off at a certain time and it shouldn't have because there was an error in the network so it gets an automatic refund.

26:17>> It's very cool. It almost sounds like a video game. It sounds really fun. >> Well, it's like um uh you know the the water ball, the Christmas ball, right? Where where you shook it up shake it upside down at Christmas and you see the scene inside it. This this particular scene is a scene that can be replicated all around the world. >> And it's not very hard to build a mobile

26:39network these days. It's used to be really hard. The innovation, you know, was was there but the innovation stopped about 15 years ago. And then they brought out this thing called 5G which was yeah okay but just put a lot of pressure on everybody to to deploy it and it wasn't much better than 4G and you didn't really have a purpose for it yet and the s you know so the

26:57innovation's kind of stopped and it's very easy to build a mobile network now as a just a normal lay person you know with a little bit of help from AI with some guidance and support and materials from someone like World Mobile you can put up a mobile network to cover a city in two weeks >> three weeks right and then adjust as you go to the capacity that you need. But on

27:17the front side, I think what's different about World Mobile is we're building just for the normal person. We don't believe mass adoption is going to come from people that are interested in crypto. We believe mass adoption comes from people that have a a demand for a product. >> Mhm. >> So telecom, there's huge demand. You know, even in the United States of

27:33America, 30% of the land mass is unconnected. 11% of the population is unconnected. uh 16% of the population rely on mobile internet for internet in their in their own homes you know and about 50% of the population are underserved >> so this is not just an African problem this is a problem for for everybody and the product that we've made you wouldn't

27:56know it's a crypto product you're just using it but seamlessly you're using the blockchain and you're using crypto >> definitely great to get more people connected and people don't see the issues uh the the connectivity that's missing inside the US as well. So looking forward through 2026 here, what are you mentioned Southeast Asia expansion, Africa and US. What are some of the main

28:22initiatives that you're looking to grow uh for this year? >> Yeah, we're looking to build a few celebrity brands. I think this is going to bring uh millions of customers to the World Mobile Network and millions of customers equals uh you know potentially billions of dollars of revenue annually. certainly hundreds of millions of dollars and then that equals buyback. So

28:40I think that that's that's kind of the the prerogative. My prerogative is to drive as much revenue into the ecosystem as possible so that more nodes go up so that more um earth node operators do their work and set up more powerful machines because with more money becomes you know the incentive is there. Uh so customers inside the United States of America from the top down with

29:01celebrities and customers in the United States of America using the same model that we've replicated in Africa and that we've replicated in in in Asia uh is probably the objective for for 2026 and with more customers comes more node deployments. It's just continuously circular until it's so big it can't be stopped. >> That's very cool. Well, I'm wishing you

29:20guys all the best in and getting more people connected. Uh it it's a it's a hot topic right now with more people looking at uh SpaceX uh and other ways to connect and hey imagine if you know you don't just have to buy an expensive piece of hardware from SpaceX and there's you're not earning anything. Uh I think that's what's important is breaking down the fact that on these

29:42decentralized networks these community owned networks you're actually able to earn uh and help your neighbors at the same >> revenue is going back to the people. you have the ability >> even as good as Elon Musk is, he's still the richest man in the world. And he's still, you know, he's not he's not given back space, but SpaceX profits back to the people

30:00>> um for running the network because there's nothing for them to do. He hasn't designed it like that. He's designed it in a way that he runs it. I decided something very different in the way that the people run it. And as a consequence, you know, the people are getting paid. If you go to speak to thousands of air node operators that have, you know, deployed more than

30:15100,000 nodes, they're receiving dollars every every month, actual dollars into their bank account, you know, huge huge amounts as well, uh, for some of them. So, in the in the 50s or thousands of dollars for some of them where they've deployed so much of a of a network. So if you give the people the opportunity to participate and you give them ownership, then there's a real big

30:37chance that they'll really respect that and they'll look for more opportunities and grow your network. That's my belief. >> Definitely. That that's really cool. And yeah, it sounds like a great revenue generation opportunity. Are there different tiers of physical hardware or you know h if people want to contribute and actually earn what at are there different stages that

30:58they can get involved or everyone just buys uh need to sign up to >> they can come to worldmo.io and they'll find all the information about the different pieces of infrastructure that we have. Uh currently we have infrastructure that ranges from $59 and all the way up to $100,000. Some devices are $9,000, some are $15,000, some are $7,000. >> Um and there's a whole new bunch of

31:19range to come out as well. And in each country we operate, um there'll be different different types of nodes. So anybody can enter at any point. But you even if you don't become a hardware operator, you can still become a host. So you can still give up your rooftop and say, "I've got a rooftop. I don't want to invest in the infrastructure. I can't invest in the infrastructure, but

31:36I'm willing to see how this works on my rooftop if I can generate income." So then you match up with a operator and um you have your host. But then even then, if you say, "Hey, I don't want to host. I don't have a rooftop. I don't want to put money into the the Airid because um for whatever reason, you know, it's not my thing. I'm scared. But I can get

31:55money for bringing people onto the network and I'm very good at being on the internet. Then you can bring people onto the network and we'll pay you for bringing people onto the network a pretty sizable amount as well. So anybody can participate and um we're also about to roll out uh fiber. So you know you're going to be able to buy fiber in the ground which is yours uh

32:13which is you know an RWA in itself >> uh including you know the rest of the infrastructure. So you'll be able to actually buy fiber or fiber nodes or fiber rollouts and you'll be able to own bits and pieces of of the network or a whole part of the network in a particular area or or region. I recommend you to look at network builders. I think you you'd like it a

32:33lot. But I also recommend you to look at our phone plans as well. Now you've been on the phone to me. There's no way that you can carry on giving your information to other mobile operators when you know how there's a new way. >> Definitely. Definitely. I'm I'm always looking for alternatives like that especially for people that are in crypto uh and blockchain and and finances.

32:52They're like I want to protect my personal information as much as possible. Uh so I'm going to check out contributing part nodes and and just participating as well. Um you know last question before we go high level uh if you you know when world mobile uh succeeds fully h how do you think the world will look uh with this new kind of mobile connectivity?

33:17>> I think that many people at that point will not believe for how long they stood for what they stood for because we we don't even know it but our human rights have just been taken away immediately from us as soon as we pick up a telephone. So I think it will be a different world in that sense but also I think it will be helping the economy the local economies and the great the wider

33:41economy massively for all the money not to be going back to Wall Street but to be going back to the people. >> Well said Mickey. Thank you so much for for taking the time uh wishing World Mobile all the best. I'm going to check it out and and get involved right now and I'll leave to all those different parts in the show notes as well. uh would love to follow up again in the

34:00near future and thank you. >> Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure. Take it easy. Stay connected.